King Vegeta's only official kills prior to his death by Frieza were those few low-class soldiers on Frieza's ship and when he executed a low-class Saiyan soldier with Execution Beam after the Saiyan soldier told him that they couldn't conquer a planet due to a three-day waiting period until the planet's full moon appeared (this was in the anime as well). So that's basically training in 3 times gravity if you consider the 50x boost from SSJ. I really don't know what's up for discussion here. "was considered canon by akira toriyama,". The king quietly follows the signal of his son's pod for a week and finds that it has lead him to a strange sea green planet, with three suns. He is not really saying no feats =/= no argument. The docters commenting on his progress said "If he keeps this up he'ss surpass King Vegeta." Neither would King Vegeta. Bardock (manga) - 850-1,000 King Vegeta (manga) - 5,000 Kid Vegeta - 6,000 Nappa - 7,500 Adult Vegeta - 18,000 Bardock (anime) - 9,500 King Vegeta (anime) - 10,500-11,000 Kid Vegeta (anime) - 12,000 and Goku said "I don't care." Both of them fought only nameless, featless henchmen we know almost nothing about, and Freeza, who crushed them both like bugs. This implies that Bardock was, at least at that time, weaker than King Vegeta. Unlike his main timeline counterpart, Xeno King Vegeta sports a red cloak with a hood that he keeps up and for a period of time also wore a time breaker mask and one hank of his hair is red. King Vegeta attempted to kill Paragus with an Execution Beam, but this failed to kill Paragus. Fighting skill advantage: King Vegeta - You can gain skills, maneuvers, or tactics via experience and not just training. He killed ~10 soldiers and is a king and is regarded as such. Not to make light of KV's own growth rate (a trait of all Saiyans), but Bardock seems to have an affinity for it. Defeating 100s of elites in Frieza’s army while battle-damaged is a feat that few could accomplish in his time. He's a saiyan, but Bardock is stronger because in the movie Bardock Father of goku it said Bardock was stronger than King Vegeta. Bardock no competition. Stop spreading misinformation. This also isnt comics, no feats =/= no argument. Context? He's not going to ask and learn new martial arts from anyone. SSJ3Vegetto (talk) 18:30, November 22, 2012 (UTC), I think Bardock wins because in the Bardock movie, it said Bardock was stronger. I'm guessing his power might have gotten up to maybe even 20,000 while fighting his way up to Frieza. King Vegeta wins 7/10, however every single battle is barely won by either or. Now on to your skill advantage what in your right mind says Vegeta has the edge? Otherwise king vegeta is stronger.--Ssj3gogeta96 (talk) 22:50, January 8, 2013 (UTC)ssj3gogeta96, They're both strong, but I think Bardock would probably win if he fights King Vegeta because he can turn SSJ. It stated King Vegeta's Power level was 10,000 while Bardocks was almost there, But In the Filler Bardock Did Go SSJ and kill Chiller. It would be like Kaio-Ken x3 vs. Vegeta if those two were to fight. @stupid_people: Yeah I know....would be good to troll with though. And just because this is not comic does not mean the same logic cannot apply. DB doesn't base everything (not even most things) off of feats.He is not really saying no feats =/= no argument. When someone leave you for dead,it implys that you survived a near death experience. Vegeta always trained harder than Goku and I'm not talking about experience either. With Bardock constantly going on missions, his zenkais would propel him into a very high power level compared to King Vegeta who would continue to louse around unless war broke or something. Him versus King Vegeta would've been a better fight. One sits on a thrown and is respected and one goes and experiences battle day after day. Most definitely wasn't martial arts. King Vegeta was a REALLY BIG and I mean REALLY BIG jobber. Of course he is! Goku wasn't in Vegeta's league. Nothing stated means anything thus far for the King's power. The fool saying that Bardock didn't get any Zenkai what so ever after Dondoria encountered.Please explain to me why Dondoria/Zarbon was shocked about how strong Bardock was when Bardock attacked Freiza army. Bardock doesn't have better feats unless you can prove King Vegeta couldn't have handled those elites. 2). King Vegeta's power was surpassed by Vegeta when he was a kid, and I highly doubt that Kid Vegeta didn't increase his strength that much from as a kid to a guy in his early 30s. Oh yes, that he hasn't surpassed him yet.And just because this is not comic does not mean the same logic cannot apply. Again, you're using comic book logic: "He never showed that he could, so he can't." Also, Tuffles >>>>>Kanassians. Power level advantage: Bardock (better feats, more zenkais, more battles), Experience advantage: Bardock (nuff said), Fighting skill advantage: Bardock (Training does not mean anything if you dont have experience, Bardock has enough to where he is as skilled as they come), Reputation advantage: King Vegeta (that helps). His life got cut short by Frieza, as did Bardock's. YOUR LOGIC IS WHAT IS $#@cking pathetic. - What is King Vegeta's 'stated potential advantage' referring to? Vegeta was clearly stronger than him, but that didn't matter to Bardock. However, Goku unlocked SSJ3 due to his intense training in a multitude of martial arts, including what he was taught in the Other World (which was the most intense, and best training he'd ever done). 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Others 4 Discussions Bardock is a low-class Saiyan warrior, the mate of Gine, and the father of Raditz and Kakarot. He jobs Bardock takes the mask and goes ssj3 to fight king vegeta Paragus stabs King Vegeta w/ same knife used to stab Broly King Vegeta doesnt care though, vaporizes Paragus ,and continues to fight Bardock (he's enjoying the fight) Oh for the rest of the Manga context Paragus gets his s*** kicked in esrly then Bardock intervenes. I mean bardock almost beat frieza and king vegeta just put on a mean face and tried to be intimidating. This Bardock can go into SSJ making him a lot stronger. Because I recall in the anime something like this happened: Goku died, King Kai tried to build a house and failed, they went to find Grand Kai, then Goku entered a tournament against Pikkon, then it's just a gap in time, and the next time we see Goku in any kind of training was using heavy weights. Though I do not think that Bardock could have been healed in time before Frieza came to the planet and if he did I think that his base power would be beyond that of King Vegeta. This is just my opinion so whatever others think is up to them as well. 3). Your wall of text does nothing to proof anything. POSSIBLY. Sorry if I seem smug, but they seem to be making redundant comments (as if they've been stated before; I disproved it; somebody else says it). … I would say Vegeta was absolutely a battle-hardened warrior by the time he encountered Goku. Sounds right. Tag others when you get an actual argument that is not repeating what others have disproved already and just negating everything by hyporcitically turning a blind eye to certain comments on here.1. Of course, this is pretty much just speculation. King Bardgeta (The D would be silent) Assuming this is Potara, I came up with a logical Fusion Increase which is Person A + Person B x Strongest Form. As the ruler of the Saiyans, there's no question that King Vegeta would wipe the floor with Bardock at the time of his death. I place more merit on Bardock, though, because he has more battle experience of late, whereas King Vegeta sat on his butt the last few years of his life after winning the War vs the Tuffles. It seems like your entire argument revolves around King Vegeta being...well, a King. Nothing you say can change the fact that your argument is that "Vegeta is king and because he has the training of a king should be better than everyone" Bardock wins because he has actually fought people and is a soldier. Vegeta's lack of versatility in what he practices is the cause, however his dedication and the intensity with which he practices made up for it. By stats they're obviously playing in the same league, and by stats King Vegeta is slightly above Bardock. @darkbiscuit: The majority here say Bardock so if you believe otherwise YOU are the odd man out. 5). I think in the sub all they said was Bardock's power level was closing in on 10k. It's not like we can be 100% sure anyways of who is stronger anyways, Frieza defeated them both Easily. More feats = win. Bardock-5400 -Oozaru Bardock-54,000 -Post Battle-5800 -Zenkai-9700 -Final Zenkai-24,000 -Final Attack-32,000 Frieza 1st Form Suppressed-250,000 -Supernova-300,000 King Vegeta-12,000 Tora-4200 -Oozaru Tora-42,000 -Post Battle Zenkai-4350 Brogos-2900 -Oozaru Brogos-29,000 -Post Battle Zenkai-3000 Shuegash-2300 -Oozaru Shuegash-23,000 -Post Battle Zenkai-2400 Fasha-2200 -Oozaru Fasha-22,000 … I actually always hated how Goku is always better than Vegeta. If this shit cannot be done fairly......................... As a matter of fact I'm going to create my own version of this thread and if I find the slightest bit of stupidity. I disagree with this strongly. Prince Vegeta (kid) VS Bardock. 5 years old means nothing. It doesn't matter how many zenkais or battles Bardock fought, it doesn't automatically make him equal to king Vegeta, it just means he's catching up quickly. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!! Bardock's blast hit Vegeta's and the two beams of energy began to struggle against one another. Do you remember Cui vs Vegeta? Power levels are really inaccurate, so you can't just compare King Vegeta and Bardock's power level. He reminds me of Gohan so much, and this trait may have been how Gohan gained the ability to gain boosts in power based on emotions. He appears in Dragon Ball Z: Shin Budokai - Another Road. Lmao, Bardock didnt almost beat anyone. However, if Bardock were given a little more time to mature, he would probably end up growing in power faster than Vegeta could catch up, much like what happened with their sons. While injured. So by power level, Bardock actually loses as you stated. Power level advantage: Bardock (better feats, more zenkais, more battles)The zenkais got Bardock to his current power level, which is still below King Vegeta's. @liquidnazo: . Bardock took out Dedoria's 4 elite soldiers. Dragon Ball; Dragon Ball Super; Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! That leaves it to experience and skill. In Bardock, The Father of Goku, near the time of his fateful battle with Frieza, Bardock had a power level of 10,000, which is said to rival that of King Vegeta. Do you remember Cui vs Vegeta? https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Who_was_stronger;_Bardock_or_King_Vegeta%3F?oldid=1334989. Bardock would have a huge power boost, and King Vegeta would be in shock over the outcome of their battle. While you shouldn't base who wins based on who has a higher power level; it gives you a great idea of who is in whom's ball park. I also just thought of something. The power pole might allow him to fend off against the Brave Sword. annoying trolling and ignorant. Power levels alongside filler is irrelevant, since we have stated power levels from the filler. Bardock and the King are NO different. It's still a valid feat, and even those so-called "cheap shots" are more than King Vegeta ever demonstrated.How was my debunking wrong? Too scared to make a new thread myself because of bad wording by another poster though. Not to make light of KV's own growth rate (a trait of all Saiyans), but Bardock seems to have an affinity for it. If it were King Vegeta vs. Bardock (enraged on his way to Frieza’s ship) I would say that Bardock would win. @marshall_long: Is that filler? "King Vegeta has better training. Bardock is like the one with a high school diploma and King Vegeta is with the degree and some co-op experience when they started. he has bloodlust but King Vegeta doesn't). And based on the way he destroyed planet Arlia, I would say he had probably done that kind of thing before. Stated potential advantage: King Vegeta (This does not include what they can become, in which case Bardock would win. Did you seriously bring the tuffles into this? After a few Zenkais after supposedly taking on the tougher missions. no it isnt. Yes, experience is very important too, but there's a reason people are trained before they go into a fight, rather than just tossing them into the ring and letting them figure it out themselves. This is a list of known and official Power Levels (戦闘力, Sentōryoku, lit.Combat Power) in the Dragon Ball universe.All of the levels on this list are taken from the manga, anime, movies, movie pamphlets, Daizenshuu guides, video games and stated mathematical calculations. vegeta surpassed his father but we have no idea when. He saying no proof =/= no argument. Keep in mind that those 4 elites that Bardock defeated, the same ones that everybody claims is proof he wins: He was enraged, cheap shotted two, and by that point the other two were panicking because they thought that he did it out of pure power: which he didn't. Please support the official release.\r\rask.fm: \r\rSubscribe to (for inspiration :D)\r\rDCInfamous120\r\r\rSaiyan Legend … To be king means you have natural talent. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!!! King Vegeta: 11,000. He was able to survive against Dodoria who was atleast twice as strong as him. Fighting skill advantage: Bardock (Training does not mean anything if you dont have experience, Bardock has enough to where he is as skilled as they come)Bardock is not as skilled, however his experience makes up for it. Really? I think that Bardock’s power was probably up in the 15,000s or more! I'm not sure what the official numbers are, but I believe King Vegeta was slightly higher. 1). People suck the fun out of this. Winner: Bardock. 4). They're close in power with King Vegeta in the lead. Also the Diaz puts Bardock at around 10k (which is much stronger than the average elite sayian, so im not saying Bardock is a chump) while putting King vegeta slightly over 13k. Most definitely wasn't martial arts. Goku & Bardock Vs Vegeta & Frieza Power Levels | CharlieCaliph About Video : In this video we compair Goku & Bardock Vs Vegeta & Frieza Power Levels ... Internet sensation, check out his complete story - Best Floyd Mayweather News Fan site - First you say " His power level is above Bardock's," With no proof whatsoever. He killed ~10 soldiers and is a king and is regarded as such. It does in DB. And you're "debunking" was wrong. Nobody is claiming that he wins because he is the king. However, Goku unlocked SSJ3 due to his intense training in a multitude of martial arts, including what he was taught in the Other World (which was the most intense, and best training he'd ever done). After Future Bardock's attack… Experience. Bardock after Training in cave: 45,000 (some time had passed) Bardock's mad believing Chilled is Frieza: 100,000 (punches him) Bardock reeling on the Ground after Chilled crushed him: 14,500. 2). I guess there's also the fact that it's Vegeta we're talking about. That is ALL. Already debunked that, and there is nothing to stop me from saying that King Vegeta couldnt do the same. Two of which he cheap shotted and one who was simply weak. "but he's a king and should be the most powerful" - pathetic. King Vegeta rules a planet - sure he might be training but Bardock was one of the ones who were going out and actually killing populations. With Bardock constantly going on missions, his zenkais would propel him into a very high power level compared to King Vegeta who would continue to louse around unless war broke or something. That is ALL. ERMQQZA"Back to my "leagues" argument. Actually Bardock ssj has not been announced canon or non canon because toonami made that episode. re: Bardock vs King Vegeta There's two ways to look at this. It was said that he was “born” SS, I think this means that he was born with the ability to go SS not that he came out as a SS. If you count super saiyan bardock, he will absolutely destroy king Vegeta without breaking a sweat. I have literally not "turned a blind eye" to a damn thing. Text-only Version: Click HERE to see this thread with all of the graphics, ... And the planet he is first showed on was impossible fow low levels. To argue this is foolish. It also required a lot of effort. His "many zenkais"? This debate is seriously ended with it being outrightly stated that King Vegeta is more powerful. We know that emotional trauma can bring upon huge power level increases, such as when Gohan went from 1 to 1200 in power level when fighting Raditz, or when he went fro 900 to 2800 in power level when fighting Nappa. Fair enough, I won't use SSJ. They are unknown of the existence of the other (Goku meets Vegeta eventually), one is a low-class fighter while the other is of royalty, and the Vegeta side was the first killed by Frieza while the Goku side put up a much more impressive assault. 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